[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, thanks so much for listening to this message. My name is Jason and I'm one of the ministers here at the Madison Church of Christ. It's our hope and prayer that the teaching you hear today will bless your life and draw you closer to God. If you're ever in the Madison area, we'd love for you to stop by and study the Bible with us on Sundays at 5pm or Wednesdays at 7pm if you have questions about the Bible or want to know more about the Madison Church, you can find us
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[00:00:37] Speaker B: But what we're going to be talking about is, you know, does science support the existence of God? But the reason he thought this was important is within Genesis 1 through 11.
That's where the Bible's often attacked. And the idea, of course, if you can destroy the foundations of the Bible, then you can pretty much destroy the entire Bible. And right now, if we look at, I guess you'd say, the greater Christendom, it's a little over half of the kids that grow up in the church, grow up regularly attending church, will leave before they get done with college. And so. And this is usually the area that they are led astray in. So we thought it'd be good just to spend a couple of weeks just talking about some of the ways that we can try to, I guess you say, inoculate our children against some of the attacks they might face. And a lot of this, it's like an inoculation of vaccination. A lot of the things, they work the best when it's done in advance. The saddest thing you'll ever hear is when a child comes back from college and says, you know, I'm starting to just have some doubts about my faith. Because when they first say that, you're like, oh, okay, well, we can fix that. But no, you got it on the Internet. That's actually the atheist websites coach children to do that. They say, hey, we want you to be an atheist. And once you're a devout atheist, you, you know, don't tell your family just straight up that you're an atheist now. You know, ease them into it. And so that's literally, if you hear that phrase, don't, I mean, obviously react to it, obviously try to fix it, but realize that it might be too late. And so the idea here is, you know, we're empty Nesters. But a lot of us are coming into where you have grandkids and you still know a lot of kids, and so try to just give them some things very early in life that they can use to try to again keep them from being led astray. Ephesians 4, 14, 15 probably applies really well here. It says, as a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness and deceitful scheming, but speaking the truth, in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into him who is the head, even Christ. And so again, try not to be carried about by every wind of doctrine, trickery of men, craftiness and deceitful scheming, but try to again, make sure we're not having that happen to us, but also helping make sure our children, our grandchildren, don't have that happen to them also.
So we're going to go really fast. This is a lot of slides. And again, we'll try to cover it all in just a couple sessions just to give a taste. You have a lot of resources up here and a lot more. If anybody's interested in any particular subject, feel free to and get as many copies as we need on any of those. So feel free, if you'd like one, just bounce me an email or something. But just in summary, you know, if you really think about it, what's being pushed, unfortunately, by society right now is that the universe and everything in it just made itself. You think about it, oh, well, there was this big bang, and then planets made themselves, or stars, galaxies, planets, life, everything just made itself. And it's strongly refuted by true science. But you hear the opposite again, you just go out in secular discussions or museums or zoos or all these places, they try to say the opposite. They somehow this is supported by science. It is very strongly refuted, really, in all areas by true science. And so that's one thing we're going to be talking about.
God has given us tremendous evidence. Of course we should put our faith in him, but of course he does let it be our choice. That's one of the things about God, is that he gives us free will. And so Romans 1:20, though, talks about this evidence says, for since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes are clearly seen being understood by things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. And so. But, you know, go back to that.
It's our choice.
I was blessed. I got to Be teaching down in Panama this past week. I was at the Bible School of the Americas and they have students from seven different countries coming in. And there was this one couple and the wife, she had.
It's really, it's a good program. They actually lived there for two years, very intense. And they go back to their countries or go elsewhere, having tremendous success. We're thinking we might have elders in Uruguay pretty soon because of the results activities, some of their students. So really good program. But she said she was from Nicaragua and she said in that country they really push determinism and you'll see why in a minute. But that's the idea that you really don't have free will, that everything is just determined. And she was almost feeling really guilty that she had actually taught that. She knew it was incorrect. But that was before. I don't know if it was before she'd become a Christian, but it was before she got into the Bible school.
Well, the reason they push that is if we can make any choice at all that proves we're not just a bunch of chemicals. It proves we're more than just material. In other words, if you got to choose where you sat, did you get a drink of water before you came in, what did you eat for lunch, Any choice whatsoever. You have to be more than a chemical reaction. Because push comes to shove, a chemical reaction, it just depends on the concentration of chemicals, temperature. Physical chemical reactions don't make choices. And so you have this nice picture of the family with the bonfire.
And so it sounds kind of weird, but look at the fire. Because a piece of wood burning in a fire is actually a really complicated chemical reaction. You can go into our best laboratories, measure the density of the wood, composition of the wood, the texture of the surface of the wood. All these things about it are down to the sub millimeter level. With some of our better laboratories now, and you can use our best computational fluid dynamics codes, try to predict how that piece of wood's going to burn. We can't predict that. We can't look at a piece of wood and predict how it's going to burn when we throw it on a fire. It's a very complicated chemical reaction. A lot of you guys work on rocket engines in the room here. Think of a rocket engine. It's actually a really complicated chemical reaction.
But the question is, even though it's very complicated, can it make a choice?
In other words, if you're out sometime this winter and you have a nice bonfire, relax with people, and the, the person next to you goes I'm just so glad the wood chose to burn that way. That's just beautiful.
I mean, what are you going to do? Yeah, exactly. You get a blanket on them, you get them inside, they'll probably be fine.
But the whole point is, yeah, it's a complicated chemical reaction, but it cannot make a choice. And so if someone's trying to lead someone else away from Christ, that's one of the first things they have to attack them on is this idea of, do you have free will or not? Because if you have free will and the person thinks about, they realize, okay, I have free will. So that means I have a soul.
Only God could give me a soul. So at the very least they know they should put their faith in God. Now we've actually had students who are members of the church be led astray by that argument. And so had one, I don't know, it was two or three years ago, went down to a pretty conservative university and he went switched majors, became a philosophy major, and within six months he was an atheist.
And so you're like, what happened? Because he's still a really nice guy. You go down there, you try to study with him. The youth minister had, had people come down trying to study with him. He's like, can I get you a coffee? Would you like anything to eat? Would you like Nicest guy? So he still had very obviously evidence of a very strong Christian upbringing and everything, but he had been convinced he had no free will.
And then once you get convinced, you can't make a choice. You imagine how that plays out with teenagers or with college students. I mean, they're just like, well, yeah, I did that. But you know, it was determined, you know, in other words, predetermined. And that's why I actually hadn't thought about that term. But that was until the person from. Apparently in some countries that are really dominated by atheists, they push this idea of what they call determinism, you know, and that's. And of course, if we were just chemical reaction, they'd be absolutely right.
So first example, how do you actually use this? Well, say you have a three year old and you tell them they can have one cookie and they take two cookies serious offense.
What you do is you say, okay, well was that your choice?
And at that point they're just like, oh man, I'm busted.
And believe me, three year olds, trust me. Well, you guys know this too. They know a lot more than they'll let on. And so. But rather than getting in trouble, just use the opportunity to say well, you know, it's God that gives us the ability to make choices and we need to make good choices or bad choices and go ahead and say if it wasn't for God, you couldn't make a choice. And that's something a three year old can grasp. Okay, so that's what I mean by preparing people early on. Because a three year old can grasp that, immediately know they're making choices, immediately know that they're choosing to obey you or disobey you, or throw a temper tantrum, or not throw a temper tantrum for whatever reason. An 18 year old that goes off to college and gets surrounded by a bunch of philosophy professors, it becomes a struggle. So you've got to be proactive, I guess, or we have to be proactive. Okay, any questions or comments on that?
Yeah, is it really free will or choice that they're attacking or is that they're wanting to attack God, but they're smart enough because you go to like Jerry Coyne, Richard Dawkins, that's one of the first things they hit on. Dawkins has a great, not great, but he's a video from my 2009 where he says punishing prisoners is like hitting your car with a baseball bat when it breaks down, you know, it's like your car didn't choose to break down. And so if you're hitting with a baseball bat and he literally says that, that was his argument against, you know, punishing basically punishing prisoners. So, so it's. They have to attack free will if they want to convert someone to atheism or if they want to promote atheism because they all realize that if you have any choice at all, that that's, you know, evidence for God, that's you're more than a chemical reaction.
From a, from a predeterministic standpoint though, is it that I don't have free will and I don't have choice, or is it whatever choice I make is the choice that already had been made for me?
So from their view, it's. They'll have.
The three options are kind of. Well, the two options I'll consider is you have absolutely no free will, or they call it deterministic free will. And they say your chemical reaction is so complicated it makes you think you're making a choice.
So that's a deceptive term you'll run into on the Internet. They'll say, oh no, no, we think you have free will. It's just deterministic free will. And that's one can pull up a Lot of quotes. Yeah, we'll keep kind of going. But that's, but that's the gist of it is if, because they agree 100%, if you can really make a choice that just blows atheism out of the water, I mean, it's 100%. So that's the, so that's why they attack on that. And we can use it just. If you invite someone to a Bible study and they say, okay, I'll come to Bible study with you. Well, you can almost start reinforcing right there, Say, I'm so glad you chose to study the Bible with me because, you know, we're studying about God and that's the God that gave you the ability to choose to study the Bible with me. You know, so I mean, so just, you know, ways we can reinforce it.
But yeah, to me it's 100% trying to lead people astray, you know, trying to get them to not believe in God.
So thank you though. Thanks.
Okay, so then, so that's one. Another one. Now this is interesting. If you, you go in the museum, so you go into the Smithsonian Museum of Natural history up in D.C. multi hundred million dollar exhibit promoting evolution. Okay. They literally, all they talk about, about the origin of life, it's a screen, probably not even that big, and it just has all these little bubbles coming up along the side and it says, 3.8 billion years ago, life arose in the oceans.
And then they want to keep you moving because if someone starts to think about it, all of a sudden that becomes a real challenge because you can also go to any university, any biotech company, anybody at all, and say, hey, could you guys make life from basic chemicals?
And they'll say no, because they can't. There's people, there's a book really good up, it's called Stairway to Life. So I got a copy of that book and I'll show you, I think I'm show you the picture of it here.
Just show just the more we learn about life, the more science is advancing. Again, going back to that quote in Romans, the more science is advancing, the more we know. Simplest life, simplest bacteria is vastly more complicated than anything we've ever made. And you can get into the biochemistry.
You can also just note that, hey, we can make laptops, jet airplanes, rockets. We can't make life. I mean, literally our best laboratories, hundreds of billions of dollars in biotechnology, really smart people nowhere close to making life. There was a group, I don't know, it was probably 15 years ago, they took DNA, existing DNA from bacteria and were able to synthetically copy it, which was huge because usually we couldn't even synthetically copy that. Our biotechnology is advancing and then they made a couple changes to it. And then of course all over the Internet, oh, we made life. It's like, no, the whole cellular machinery, they couldn't even make a DNA string. I shouldn't say couldn't even. I mean there's no way we're going to figure out how to make a DNA string from scratch because DNA is so complicated.
But they will not take that challenge. Even the most pro evolution university. If you just say because one of the ones like July 4th of 2026, 250th anniversary of the country.
Yes, these universities, hey, you guys take the challenge, you know, try to make life from non living chemicals by then, boy, that'd be huge news for university. They won't go near it.
The ones that had been engaging will stop engaging. In other words, they don't want to talk about that. So think of how absurd this is. We're teaching that something happened randomly, that with all that effort we can't come anywhere close to doing it on purpose. And the more we know about life, the more we realize, I mean, we're getting further and further away the more we learn about it. But it's taught as fact. And you know, check it out, you know, 3.8 billion years ago, life made itself is essentially what they're saying. And so, and so that's another area that's pretty easy for someone to understand. But if you get a high school student, it's like, well, I saw on the Internet, you know, some guy's making life all the time in his garage. Well, okay, great, then go to your, yeah, go to your, go to your chemistry teacher or your biology teacher and say, hey, can I borrow the lab Friday afternoon? Can we just go and make some life? You know, I want to impress my friends.
Yeah, I mean it's not so. So it's, you know, they know they can't do it. But that's, you know, that's kind of the, I guess you'd say the situation we're in now. So, I mean, it's being. Anybody ever watch Star Wars?
Yeah. Okay. I always get a good nod on that one. Okay, so, you know, you know, it starts out a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Well, the way that was explained to me is what they really want you to do is just, just don't think, don't overthink the movie, you know, in other words, don't be like, well, how'd that work? Or how'd that work? Or why is that? You know? No, no, no, just enjoy the movie, okay? Because it was a long time ago. Galaxy far, far away, anything can happen. Okay, well that to me is this 3.8 billion year thing. It's like, well, 3.8 billion years ago, anything could happen. Well, no, 3.8 billion years ago,. By their own theories, we had basically the same temperature, same chemicals, same everything.
And so it wasn't, it might add some mystique because it was a long time ago, but it just doesn't work no matter what.
So one of the things you can do is in this case there's all kinds of ways you could use this one. But if someone says, well, every now and then you hear this. I've chosen to put my faith in science. When what they really mean is supposed to that religion, Christianity stuff. I've chosen to put my faith in science. You say, well that's great because true science is 100% consistent with the Bible. And then they'll look at you funny, but then you could literally just ask them a question. You notice Jesus usually if he's trying to engage people in a conversation, he would ask questions because that's a great way. And you try to keep it non confrontational.
In this case especially, you always want to be speaking the truth in love. Because people, they're used to hearing this stuff since they're like 2 years old. Someone that doesn't go to church has grown up outside the church. This is all going to be brand new to them. So you got to just keep them relaxed, keep them really thinking, keep them objective, keep them really thinking about what they're being said. But you ask questions, they say, well, they've chosen to put their faith in science, say, well, okay, is it scientific to believe that something happens spontaneously? In this case, life arising from non life we've been unable to duplicate, given our best laboratories, smartest scientists and virtually unlimited financial resources.
So your typical response depending on you're talking to will be about a 15 second pause and then they'll say, well, it's not scientific, but it's still what I believe.
So you think, okay, that was a dead end, but it actually wasn't. So you got to. Because this is a very methodical. I don't say methodical, but it's a long process. Because what they just said is they had told you, oh, I put my faith in science. And then they just heard themselves admit that something that's foundational to their belief, which of course in this case would be atheism, belief in evolution, stuff like that. They basically told you something that was very foundational to that belief system, wasn't scientific, so they actually made a huge step forward. I had a person I asked this question to at work, and that was the response.
It was like 12 years later, he's running across the parking lot and he goes, hey, you remember that conversation we had a long time ago? Okay? So I'm really hoping it was. This conversation could have also been like, who's got the best pizza in town? Because we talk about that a lot too.
But it was this conversation. And he goes, well, you were right, which is really good. But then you run into, you know, he's now searching all different options so he knows there's a God he knows he's created. But now it's like, okay, which religion? So. So it's got. It's got a, you know, ways to go. But that's the other one want to mention, is that the purpose of any of this is to get someone to objectively consider the Bible. When, you know, push comes, faith comes from hearing, hearing by the word of God. So it doesn't do any good. You know, we'll have examples of people that realize that just evolution doesn't work, but for whatever reason, they don't put their faith in God. So that didn't do them any good. Didn't do them any good at all for eternity. So. So it's not about winning the argument. It's just. Just somehow encouraging them to objectively consider the Bible. And then once they do that again, faith comes from hearing, hearing by the word of God. So that's another one you can use now with a child, it's really easy because if you guys have young grandchildren, and I love it. I mean, I. I got to sit and watch a bug for like an hour with Cohen. I don't know, probably year it was awesome because he's just like, wow. And I'm just like, wow. I never really looked at that.
So kids love it. So if you point out, even at a really young age, you can say, hey, what do you think's more complicated, that bug or an airplane? Because most kids also love airplanes. You point up in the sky there's an airplane, and you just tell them, well, the bug's actually more complicated than an airplane. Totally true statement. We're not trying to hide anything. We're just trying to point out the truth to our children. That bug is way more complicated than the airplane. Well, they'll remember that. And so then when someone tries to tell them again that, yeah, later on you can point out, if someone ever tries to tell you that life made itself, just ask them, well, can we go on lab and make it or just have it instilled? No, there's no way. There's no way that airplane would make itself. So certainly that bug couldn't have made itself.
Well, I'll do a couple more on this just to drive home the point about how winning the argument is not the goal here. This was a quote from Fred Hoyle. He's the one that actually named the Big Bang theory. It's a very famous British astronomer.
And he.
This is a statue of him over St. Cambridge, England. I think that's the Cosmology institute behind him. Very, very famous. But he, this was a quote. So I want you to imagine you're out door knocking and, you know, you're just talking to the person. Good friendly conversation. You ask him, well, yeah, where do you think life came from?
And the person goes, the likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 zeros after it. It is enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution. There is no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other. And if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence.
Okay, well, what do you do? Well, first thing you say is, hey.
[00:20:36] Speaker A: Can you repeat that?
[00:20:36] Speaker B: I gotta write that down.
But, but the whole point is if someone responded like that, wow, they're, you know, call the bus driver and tell them I'm going to be doing a Bible study here for a while. You know, I mean, whatever you would be normally doing. Well, because he's obviously, he knows evolution doesn't work. That's correct scientifically. And he knows that it's a purposeful intelligence. But for whatever reason, to anybody's knowledge, Fred Hoyle never became a Christian and he never really even considered God. So another point, whenever talking. This is a lot of times people will say that they, you know, well, they believe in science instead of Christianity or that they're somehow putting their faith in science. There's, there's another reason that they're not considering the Bible. Because this was a very smart, obviously very smart individual. But for whatever reason, he did not want to put his faith in God. Now, now the reason I say it's something big had to be up because, you know, he, he basically his alternative to God was that aliens put us here okay, now you see that out on the Internet, and there's some really convincing videos. I mean, really well done. 30 minutes, you're thinking, wow, that's cool. But, you know, but it's so really convincing videos on just about anything on the Internet. You know, some. Some are correct, most aren't. But anyway, he.
So he wrote three books on the subject that the way life got onto Earth was that aliens put us here. Okay, so what question did he not answer?
Yeah, who made the aliens? Right. Okay, well, that's an easy one. You had some smarter aliens that made the aliens.
So he had to know he wasn't answering the question. He didn't. Obviously didn't ask question. Well, where'd the universe come from that supposedly made the aliens that put us here? So no fundamental question, smart guy. But for whatever reason, that's where he best anybody could tell. That's where he kind of left it. So.
So again, it's not. It's not to convince the person that evolution doesn't work or that atheism is wrong. Got to get them to the point where they'll objectively consider the Bible. This was Carl Sagan. So, you know, he's very famous atheist.
He did the original Cosmos series. So he did an interview with MIT back in 1973. It was a communication with extraterrestrial intelligence that was really popular in the early 70s.
And so they just printed the transcript of this interview. And so if you read the transcript, this was the flow says, well, it is clear that one could randomly assemble all the elementary particles in the universe a billion times a second for the age of the universe and never get this protein. Because if you calculate the odds of, say, a protein randomly assembling itself, this is probably optimistic, but it's. It's one in one followed by 130 zeros. Okay, so, you know, one in a million is one and one, followed by six zeros. One in a billion is one and one followed by nine zeros. He says, just a protein making itself is one in one followed by 130 zeros. And then even using their age for the universe, he just says that you're not even gonna make a protein. Okay, but then it's interesting because you. You read in the book, and I can bring a copy book if you wanted, you know, but it's.
He has about a paragraph, and then he realizes what he just said. And so he literally says, same page, Both on page 46, says, There is no doubt about the fact of evolution, but there are still sizable questions on the mechanics of the evolutionary process. Okay, so you think about that. I mean, it'd be just like I go out to the airport and it's like, there is no doubt that those airplanes made themselves, but there's still sizable questions about exactly how they did that.
And that would actually be more credible because, again, we can make airplanes, we can't make life. Okay, so I think that this is a book I was talking about, just addresses. It actually breaks like 11 kind of sub steps for life. And none of those 11 could even happen randomly. Most of those 11 we can't even do on purpose yet.
And then it also addresses. Has one chapter just on these claims that somehow life or somehow people claiming that they made life in a laboratory. Okay, so that was a lot of monologue. Any questions or comments on that?
Okay, so now the fact you can make a choice that very. And again, it's all about, how do you keep people from being led astray? They need to know early on. The fact you can make a choice proves God. They also know this idea that life could just make itself again. It goes against everything we know about true science.
And they can push that however they want. I never want to get middle schoolers in trouble, but they'd probably love it. Just say, yeah, go ask your biology teacher if you can make some life today.
But anyway, there's all kinds of ways you can go with this.
Okay, now what I might do now is.
Okay, so now you have the idea that maybe a bacteria is. Start with a bacteria. Well, could mutations and natural selection add information to the genome? In other words, could you somehow turn that bacteria into all the other life we see around us with mutations and natural selection? And again, the answer from true science is a very strong no, because what it requires is the addition of genetic information. In other words, God uses DNA to code for our physical characteristics. And all kinds of great stuff's happening in the study of DNA. One is it's probably been 50 years now. We figured out that DNA of a single man and a single woman could have the genetic information for all the physical characteristics of all the people we see on Earth today. Okay, so that totally destroys racism, among other things. But again, then we study mitochondrial DNA, and the evidence is we all descend from a single woman. We study the Y chromosome. The evidence is we all descend from a single man. So again, this is all these advances, and I should point out, you know, Romans 1:20, that was written 2,000 years ago said people were without excuse then if they looked at God's creation and didn't recognize God. Well, now, I mean, what God's allowed us to discover what we know now. I mean, we are really, really, really without excuse. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pop back, I'm going to spend a little more time on this one.
So bear with me on this.
Okay? And so going to basically spend about four slides. How good we have.
Okay? So I'm going to violate a promise I made to Norm and he said, please don't talk fast.
But anyway, so we'll get through this. We'll probably have to start up again next year, but the next week. But anyway, depending on if I'm allowed to. No, but anyway, so.
But it's this whole idea about evolution.
Okay, so has anyone ever heard someone say, well, evolution is just change. We see change around us and that shows evolution.
Okay, you hear that a lot. And that's really used to deceive our children, frankly. But it's just, I don't say the people, you know, it's just people so used to disparity that. Well, no, evolution is not just change. Evolution in this context, you have to add an incredible amount of genetic information to like turn up literally. You're talking about turning a bacteria into all the different life that we see on Earth today. Or something like bacteria.
Natural selection. Mutation is either information neutral or it's actually the opposite of evolution. A lot of times it's the opposite of evolution. If you look at textbook examples for evolution, they either show nothing or they show the opposite of evolution. This is one so ironic to me. There'll be examples in the textbooks that are actually showing the opposite of evolution that someone will say, oh, see, here's evolution because it's changed, but it's changed due to a loss of genetic information.
And the term they use for that change is micro evolution. And so we'll. So that's a lot to start with. But let me give an example. This was in all the US textbooks, I think about 2003, and when I was out at Los Alamos, I actually got to review science textbooks for the state of New Mexico. And in one of those textbooks it would say things like, oh, here's. This is evolution in action. This is proof of evolution.
Another one, the teacher's edition. Well, I'll talk about that in a couple slides. But almost intentionally misleading again. Or I guess if the person knew what they were saying that wrote the textbook, then it was intentionally misleading. And you never want to ascribe motives, just point out, hey, this is really Misleading. But anyway, the idea that was presented was before the Industrial revolution, there's a type of moth in cities in England called the peppered moths. And about 90% of them were that typica form that you see on the left and 2% were the carbonaria form that you see on the right.
And the reason they said was the tree bark around those cities, it kind of had the same coloration as a typical form. You think about like a birch tree or an aspen tree. So that moth form, it would be very well camouflaged against that tree bark. And the idea was, well, the birds couldn't see that moth, it wouldn't eat that moth. And boy, you had that carbonario form. He had this nice dark triangle sitting on this light tree bark. Well, the birds are going to figure out that's something they can eat. So they start eating the carbonary form.
But then during the. So it's 98% typical, 2% carbon area. Then you have the Industrial revolution.
Apparently it got so bad that it's actually killing the lichen on the tree bark. And so that was changing the coloration and also is actually, I guess the soot was actually making the tree bark look pretty dark. Okay, so now all of a sudden, well, the birds can't see that carbonaria form, right? Because it's dark, they can't see that light colored form. And so the population density flips. Okay, so now you're 98% carbonaria, only 2% typica. Okay? Then 1950s, they clean up the air, tree bark goes back to normal, population density flips back. And so again, that's the example of evolution. But you see why it has nothing to do with evolution because the genetic information was always there. You're just changing the population density. There's no new genetic information created. There's always the genetic information for the typical form, always the information for the carbonary farm. Okay, so that one, nothing to do with evolution. Now the second one, this is interesting because bacteria are developing resistance to antibiotics. And we actually have had a couple members here lately. They've actually been in the hospital for, you know, bacterial infections that were really serious, really hard to treat. And the.
And so, okay, so how are the bacteria developing this resistance? Well, there's three ways.
Two of the ways have nothing to do with evolution. The other is actually the opposite of evolution. Okay, and again, this one, people always say, oh, bacteria, they're evolving resistance to antibiotics. Well, three ways. One would be, say I get infected by bacteria and I take an antibiotic and it kills 999 out of a thousand of those bacteria. Okay, that's a good antibiotic. Well, but if that one surviving bacteria, one out of 1,000, if that recolonizes my body, because that was the one bacteria that could resist the antibiotic. Well, now I'm infected with an antibiotic resistant strain of bacteria. But the information was always there. I mean this goes back to the population density. It's like the moths. So yeah, the population density of that bacteria is only 1 in 1,000, but you know, so now it's switched. So it's pretty much 100%. But the information was always there. There's no new genetic information created. Okay. The second way is that actually most of the bacteria in our body are either just harmless or some are actually beneficial. And you've probably heard the kind of gross statistic that we actually have more bacteria in our bodies than we have human cells. That is actually true. I think it's true by like a factor of 10. So won't go any further down that one.
But the, but the point is you can have these beneficial bacteria that can resist the antibiotic and that's good. But if they get in close proximity to a harmful bacteria, you can actually switch bits of DNA. And so you can actually have a beneficial bacteria if it exchanges DNA with a harmful bacteria. You can actually have a harmful bacteria that's now resistant to the antibiotic. And so that's bad.
Okay. But again, the information was always in the genome.
The information resisted antibiotic was always in the genome. Now the third way is a lot of our antibiotics. We design the antibiotics. So it looks like a nutrient, okay, so you picture this bacteria and it can maybe can take in like 10 different kinds of nutrients or more and so it pulls in these nutrients. Well, the idea is, okay, you just disguise the antibiotic to look like a nutrient. The bacteria pulls in what looks like a nutrient and it's an antibiotic kills the bacteria. Okay, so that's I'll say clever. I'll give credit where credit start trying to design stuff like that. That's pretty good. Well, what if the bacteria has an information losing mutation that no longer lets it absorb that particular nutrient, so it lost the information needed to be able to absorb that nutrient. Opposite of evolution, loss of genetic information.
But because it can no longer absorb that nutrient, it's no longer absorbing the antibiotic and now it's an antibiotic resistant bacteria and so that can recolonize our body. So again, three ways. Two are information neutral, nothing to do with evolution. The third way is the opposite of evolution. And then I'll give you. This is the one we'll finish on tonight, but it's one of the teacher's editions, actually said, if your child is struggling with the concept of evolution, which basically meant if your child's too smart to fall for this, then what you need to do is you send them down to the pet store and you ask them if they see a new breed, a dog or a cat. Well, your pet stores make their living off of having a new breed of dog or cat. And this is the dog or the cat that you have to have.
And so they say, well, tell them that that was changed because it was new. And this is where you get that line about, well, evolution's just change, and we see change. So send the child down there, probably 8th grader, 9th grader, and they're going to say, yeah, you're right. I saw a new breed of dog and that was changed. And then that's to convince them to believe in evolution. Well, when we develop a new breed of dog or cat or any new breed, you don't make genetic information. You get the breed by removing information. So in other words, if you want to, say, turn something that looked like a wolf into a poodle, you actually, you don't develop any new genetic information. You get rid of the genetic information that makes that animal look like anything but a poodle. Okay, so you're just tremendous removal of genetic information. And that's why purebred animals typically have a lot of genetic defects. I think poodles are like 46 genetic defects. And I don't know what your opinion is of poodles. And that was not meant to be a slight. It's just, that's the way it is.
So anyway, we'll wrap up there. I do want to. Let's see, this takes a while to get to. Sorry.
Do you like to always end on this slide? Because again, the goal is to get the person to objectively consider the Bible. And I just do this.
Say you are actually studying somebody impromptu. And a lot of times they're going to say, well, okay, you don't believe all this science. What do you believe?
Someone asks us what we believe, and I have to admit you love that question. But it's so important that we respond with, doesn't matter what I believe. Let's see what the Bible says. And so that's why a lot of great Bible studies out there, a lot of things. But if you can just open the Bible, sometimes that's the most convincing to the person. One of the reasons I mentioned here you have Romans 1:16 for I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for the power of God to salvation for everybody who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. But literally, you go in the Book of Acts and you look at the examples of people being saved.
Yeah. We say, well, hear, believe, repent, confess, be baptized, remain faithful. That's totally true. But you can answer just about any question someone's going to have just from those examples in the Book of Acts. And so maybe be pleasantly surprised if someone almost gets mad at you or frustrated with you and asks you that question.
Anyway, I think that's all for tonight.
Mark will watch the video, and I'll hopefully get to see you next week. Still. So.
